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The following Featured Post comes from Relationship Group 8, Thread 2. 1. Is Interracial Dating a Form of Self-loathing? as a multi-racial man i find that my black friends resent me when i date a white woman and accuse me of self-loathing and 'selling out'. personally, i feel this is unfair, but i can appreciate that women of color can feel as if one of their 'brothers' is rejecting them and their race when they are on the arm of a white woman. i'm conflicted. when i do date white women, it isn't because i hate my brown skin and i'm ashamed of my af/am side... to me it's more complicated than that. not to get to oedipal about this, but my mom is white. a white woman raised me. i love and respect my father's culture and i feel more identified as black because that's how i was socialized and how i was judged. but... how can me dating a white woman be self-loathing when the closest individual to me growing up was white? that being said, i have found that when i date women of color there is a sense of understanding and shared experience that i don't have with white women who i feel can sympathize, but can't really 'empathize' with my experience and the things i deal with from day to day... i don't know... i'm still struggling with this stuff that's why i'm looking forward to discussing it... i'd love to hear the toughts of men that experience the same thing, women of color, and white women that have dated other races... 3. Self-loathing or socioeconomic climbing? dbl_scorpio: I have often noticed that 'biracial' people whose mothers are white have the identifying conflict you mentioned more than those whose mothers are Black. I've wondered if it was for the reason you mentioned, that people have a psychological need to be associated with their mother, even racially. Does anyone else have any thoughts on that? 5. A Former Boss I used to work for a Regional Manager, who happened to be Black. I am Black, and he used to always make comments about "those white people..." He was a very dynamic guy, well dressed, well spoken, MBA Northwestern. When I knew him, he was married to a Black woman. He and his eventually did divorce. He eventually left the company we worked at and married one of the white co-workers in the office. His ex-wife said that he aspired to have everything the white male managers had. It is my understanding that he has changed the way he speaks to emulate white people more, and encourages his oldest son who lives with him to date white women exclusively. 6. just a few thoughts First of all, after reading some of the above, I begin to understand what you are up against, dbl scorpio! There really is a lot of anger directed at interracial couples. Hang in there buddy. And once again I say follow your heart. I don't know that I like the term bi-racial either, but it is ridiculous to try to deny one whole side of who you are. It is hard to grasp that someone wants to force the term black on you when your mother is white. On one hand, you are chastised for rejecting your people, and then almost in the same breath you are asked to deny your own mother. Absurd. I think there is a political agenda here that goes way beyond the love of family. 8. Can't we all just get along--:) Man oh man--you truly opened up a can of worms on this one, didn't you scorpio? What can I say...I guess I can begin with an old and blue cliche, "love knows no color." Simply put, I believe that. But, what I believe and the reality of the racial polarity dividing this country(after 400 yrs.) is another thing. As an ethnic group, Blacks continue to struggle with their identity in this country. One of the most powerful statements in the American Love story series was one in which Bill states, "Black culture is dead in America, we have assimilated." He continues to elude to the fact that integration was the worse thing that happened to Black Americans. But, my main point being, we, as blacks, must be careful of our definitions of "blackness". We need to think about where these definitions come from and how these definitions are perpetuated. I believe as a culture, Blacks must continue to work toward an all-encompassing definition of who we are--a definition which involves our history, as well as guides our future. We have to learn to look beyond the looking glass that society has placed before us as our cultural definition. In sum, Scorpio, if you want to date a white woman, then do so--this should have little to no bearing on your identity as a "black" man. When in doubt, always stay true to yourself:). 9. Please read, Doug I'm not sure if you were speaking of me, Doug, but dbl_scorpio, is not up against me. He is a Black man and I am committed to and dependent on his success. I am not opposed to anything he does unless it is intentionally harmful to other people. 10. Please read, Doug (continued) Doug, I also don't think your children are any more well equipped to deal with a multiracial world by virtue of the fact that his/her parents are different races. I get tired of hearing people say that the way to deal with issues surrounding multiculturalism is to consciously create more mixed race people. I've encountered this diverser than thou attitude countless times and I think you need to think about where it comes from. Being married to a Black woman doesn't automatically exclude you from being a racist, either. Read more featured posts here or continue reading thread 2 from Relationship Group 8. |
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